Potty Training Trouble - San Francisco,CA

Updated on December 16, 2009
B.B. asks from Alameda, CA
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my son turned 3 in september. i've tried multiple attempts at potty training him with very little success. my first attempt was at 18 months, and he started fighting me on it right away so i stopped and decided to wait till after the twos were over. right before his third birthday i put him thru "bootcamp" type training, where it was all we focused on for about three days. at the end of three days he would pee in the potty about 30% of the time when i sat him on it, but still peed and pooed in his underpants most of the time, even if it was 10 seconds after i made him try to go on the potty. i figured that he just wasn't ready so i gave it a couple months, and now i'm trying again. he's doing the same thing, though he's peeing in the potty more like 50% of the time, but he's still peeing and pooping in his pants! on top of that, when we calmly try to explain that he needs to do it in the potty, he freaks out and starts screaming about how he won't do it! i don't know what to do anymore! i've read several books and articles, tried to be relaxed about it, tried to be very focused other times, i've talked to other moms about their experiences, tried different rewards, different potty seats, and nothing is working! i feel like most of it is him just being resistant to the idea and trying to fight me on it. at this point i really just want to throw in the towel and let him wear diapers for the next 3 years, which he seems to be determined to do, but he's going to be in preschool next year and i need to have him trained before then.

he's also just been extremely difficult lately, he's very negative and argumentative. nobody told me that your three year old will talk back to you, i thought that came later! but he's constantly telling me "don't say that" or "i don't want..." or "i won't do..." i can deal with tantrums, which there is at least one a day, but the constant back talk is something i don't know what to do with! my husband and i are consistent with discipline and we are pretty much on the same page, and we've had success dealing with certain issues with our son in the past, but lately it seems like he's just running us over! i'm so exhausted by him at the end of the day i can barely function!

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K.B.

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I think that he may just not be ready right now. Their toileting is one of the few things in their life that they are able to control at this stage, so by you pushing him, you are starting a power struggle. Keep him diapers, take him into the bathroom before diaper changes, and let him take the lead. He will be potty trained eventually, how many grown adults do you see walking around in diapers? When he starts to show interest in it, then pull the diaper plug, but until then, just wait.

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T.H.

answers from San Francisco on

Many boys don't train until age 4 or later. Is he afraid of something? Monsters in the toilet? The loud flushing sound?
We tried putting Cherrios in the toilet so our son could do target practice. I told him his poops were nuclear bombs, and he could poop all over the monsters. I think that is what did it. If he has a favorite stuffed animal or two, you could act out his stuffies pooping on the toilet successfully; his fears might come out, as he can speak for them.
Also, when boys poop, their testicle recceed into the inguinal canal, and the boy can worry about loosing them.
Maybe you could find a preschool that accepts kids that are not toilet trained, so you wouldn't have theat added pressure, and you could relax.

A little about me: Child psychiatrist, married 21 years. A 19yo son and 12 yo daughter.

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K.G.

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I agree with the parents who have pointed out the whole control issue here. The real issue you're having is less with potty training and more with a power struggle. For the first time in your son's life, he has found something that is important to you over which he has total control. Why would he want to give up that power? And the more upset and insistent you are, the more power he realizes he has. We went through the same thing w/ our son when he was three. We took a several month break from any talk about potty training. Then on a long weekend during nice weather, we took away the diapers. We warned him a few days ahead of time that there wouldn't be any diapers in the house over the weekend (except special nighttime ones -- he was actually already waking up dry at night, but we didn't want him to feel additional pressure) and that we weren't going to buy anymore because there was no longer anyone in our house who needed them. We tried to be as supportive and "on his side" as we could. We used a sticker chart for successes and no punishment or even slight disappointment with accidents, just saying, "It's okay; we know you can do this!" The key, I think, is that we set up real world consequences that seemingly had nothing to do with us. At the time, my son loved to go to the bagel store with my husband every Sat, had a music class he adored on Sun, and tennis lessons on Tues. We explained that none of those places let people in who might pee in the floor (health dept, you know!). Nothing we could do; rules are rules. If he made it through Friday without any accidents, we would know he could go to the bagel store. We had him out on the deck w/out pants, which he did not want to do. We agreed to try his way first (w/pants) and then we would try w/out pants if that didn't work. We had a potty on the deck and brought it into a room if we went in there. He had an accident w/in a half hour and so off came the pants, but not in a punitive way -- just too much laundry and we had tried his way first. We reminded him about the bagel store, but he had another accident about nn hour later. We let him know how sorry we were that he wouldn't be able to go to the bagel store but that he could go to music class on Sun if he made it through Sat w/out accidents. We put him on the potty evey 20 minutes and set a fun egg timer that he liked for three minutes, during which time he needed to stay on the potty whether or not he went. He started to have some success, and we gave him big hugs the first time (he had gone on the potty in the past, but we were going with a clean slate approach) and then gave more subdued praise thereafter (because using the potty was expected, not a special occasion). When Sat morning rolled around and my husband left for the bagel store w/out our son, our son was shocked and very upset. I hugged him and let him know I understood how sad he was, and that I was sad for him, too. Unfortunately, though, his daddy and I didn't control the bagel store rules. There was nothing we could do. From that point on, he no longer seemed to view using the potty as something we wanted that he could control; he saw it as something he needed to do to get what *he* wanted, and importantly, not because his parents were taking it away but because that was the way these other places worked. I reminded him that he could go to music class if he didn't have any accidents the rest of the day and that I knew he could do it, and that was that. He had one accident over the next month, and then that was that. For another couple of months, he did wait until we put on his overnight diaper to poop, and we dealt with that in a bit of a different way. When little kids poop on a potty, it can be really scary and almost like they are losing a part of themselves, like a limb, into the toilet. Many kids take a bit later to be trained fully with number two. Again, the less it seems to matter to you, the better. You have to convince you son that it's something that he wants. I hope this helps.

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E.W.

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My son is 3 1/2 and not yet potty trained. I agree with the others - it's a control thing and by pushing it, you are making it a battle. We've had issues with our son holding in his poop and, trust me, you don't want to go down that road. Just back off entirely and let him know that it's up to him when he uses the potty. I highly recommend the book Potty Training the Brazelton Way.....it was a life saver for me! Is there any chance that you can put him in a pre-school that doesn't require him to be potty trained? That would take some of the pressure off. Good Luck and hang in there - he won't be in diapers forever.

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M.G.

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be strong, you are mom which makes you the boss, not your child. if he talks back put him in the corner. it will take a few days for him to catch on if he has been allowed to do it in the past. 3 year olds are smart and they know what is going on. now, if my three yo talks back i only have to give him that look and he knows it is corner time. regarding the potty training, unfortunately you cannot make him. it is the one thing your child can control. i struggled with it as well and then i finally gave up, two days later he was fully trained :) he will do it when he is ready. one thing i do suggest is no diapers and no pull ups. you will have messes to clean up (which i made my son help me as best as he could).

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B.Q.

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Your child sounded like my older boy. He was 4 years old. we also had some behavior problems. Doctor told us to use 1-2-3 magic it works. For talking back we also use hot sauce. I say hot sauce and she stops in his tracks.

Potty training I used a video called potty power for boys and girls. I got rid of diapers just used underware. After a while he got trained. I ened up because of doctor wanted him to be placed in a preschool for pottytraining. about two weeks after that get got potty trained because he saw all the other kids doing it. I also tried everything like you. From cloth diaper underware things, too 3 day potty training. Having him pee outside on a tree. You name it I have tried it. But, having him in potty training school 2 morning a week worked. From my experience you just need to set timer every 30 mintues and place him on there if he likes it or not. If he has a accident make him clean him self up. Don't get mad. just say if you make a mess you clean it up. if you went potty on the potty that would have happen. He jsut need it to click. Have daddy have him see him go potty. See daddy is a big boy he goes in the potty that what you should do. Its so easy and daddy doesn't ware diapers liek you.. try the video also kids love it. our daycare provider used it, my daughter was potty trained at 10 month from it. other toddlers got potty trained from it there. Kids love it. rent at libary ... or by it only 10.00. I hope this help. But your not alone. Just be firm in your voice when it come to your child. 123 magic works.

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J.B.

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B.,
Consider getting "The Happiest Toddler on the Block" by Dr. Harvey Karp. I've seen the basic information and it makes great sense.
Good luck - J.

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S.L.

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I think a hard-line approach is unnecessary. My MIL liked to say, "When your child is President of the United States, who cares when he or she learned to use the potty?" That said, I can empathize with just wanting to get it done. My daughter was three before she showed any interest at all, and it took all my willpower not to push the issue (and not to get angry with relatives who thought she *should* have been trained before 2 years). But then when she was three, I "ran out" of diapers one day. I hid them all when she was asleep, and the next morning made a big show of looking for them. Where are they? Are we out? Oh, no...Then, I told her that we had a fabulous day planned (and I made sure I had several of her favorite at-home activities planned), and she'd just have to try to go without her diapers because if we went to the store, we'd have to postpone our super-fun day. I made sure her potty chair was always in the same room with us, so she'd have fast access, and she was fine all day--and the next and the next. In fact, she only had 2 accidents that whole first week, and none the next month. For nighttime, I used "night-night" diapers; they looked different from her other diapers so she didn't argue with me when I said they were only for bedtime.
My daughter is pretty stubborn. Any time we try to take a hard-line with her, she resists. But, if we make her part of the process, she always seems to cooperate. In the case of potty training, we let her decide: go to the store, or have a super-fun day at home. She chose home and it worked out, especially since she was already familiar with the potty and its use from previous training attempts. I think it could work for your son, but you just have to be willing to let him choose the store (an excellent indicator he's just not ready yet), and be willing to stay home for a few days if he chooses to give it a try. Also, my daughter gets 5 Raisinetts each time she uses the potty. They are her favorite (and they aren't too, too unhealthy), so that helped, too, I'm sure.
Good luck!!!!

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R.W.

answers from San Francisco on

Hi B.,
I had similar issues with my son and I can tell you that trying to force the issue will not work. I did the same thing with my son and when I relaxed and told him that he would have to go back to diapers and just let him be. Every once in a while I would mention it but didn't push it and he finally came around. He has relapsed a few time when we have been on trips he tends to either hold it till he is busting or use his underwear. It then takes a few weeks to get him back on track. Give him time and space and try not to challenge him. Kids that age have so few things that they are in control of and this is one of them. He will continue to balk and challenge you because he can. Relax, he won't graduate high school with this issue!

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A.P.

answers from Sacramento on

Peer pressure works. Seriously. If he's not in a bona fide preschool, or a daycare for tots who are all trying to get potty trained, you could try it for pretty cheap. The preschool/daycare workers reinforce what you're doing at home, there are smallish "real" potties to go in, and you could even just do it for 2 days a week/3 hours a day.

Teeny tiny flushing potties are magical, and reduce the fear/anxiety about toilets if that's an issue. And the other kids going will trigger a wee or doo in yours, hopefull while he is sitting and going too!

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C.D.

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Hi, Well I am still potty training my 28 month old, who is doing pretty well but also has gone through phases of fighting the process. I had to stick to my guns and not go back to diapers ever- it is not a choice for him and he had many accidents until i became his choice to go, there was a power struggle between him and the process, so try to let it go and remind him to use the potty keep using praise and rewards, and treat accidents like accidents without much energy into them and things will get better. Does he have a friend that uses the potty?, it might be good for him to see how his friend uses the potty
good luck

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J.C.

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just stop and put your energy elsewhere.....try in 6 months or just wait for him to tell you when he is ready.....this is one area that you CANNOT control

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