Can I Pull My Hair Out Yet?? Toddler Cries Before Sleep Times

Updated on January 09, 2011
A.B. asks from Portland, OR
9 answers

Hello mamas,

Warning: this is long, but I wanted to be really specific because all the researching I have done has turned up exactly what we are already doing. Thanks in advance for your patience in reading and responding!!!!

Back Story:
For 3-4 weeks now, my 2 year old son cries/calls for mama and dada relentlessly until we go in and settle him. We have a bedtime routine and nap time routine that has not wavered since he was an infant. He has a security object, his room is dark, warm and has a fan in there for "white noise" and has no reason to fret. He is still in a crib and shows no interest in climbing out. We have at least 30-40 minutes of wind-down time at night with only about 10 of it being the actual routine. He goes to bed between 7:30 and 8 and wakes anywhere between 6:15 and 7:30am. Nap is at 1 unless we are out and lasts 1-2 hours. Even when he naps late, I make sure he gets lots of exercise before bed. We don't have a TV, so any screen time he does get is so I can have a shower in peace in the morning!! (Maybe 30 mins a week.) He is still pretty non-verbal, so we can't just reason with him. (Im not concerned about his speech at all, he understands everything and can follow 3+ step commands.)

Sleep has never come easy for us and we have done CIO, controlled crying, patting, rocking, singing... I have 8 sleep books!!! He is close to sleeping through the night and has 2 or 3 nights during a week that he does sleep through without waking. Bed time never used to be an issue, but it is now.

At the moment, I am waiting for 3 more minutes to pass until we reach the 30 minute mark that I told him that we would not be going in until he had been in bed for 30 minutes. He has been crying off and on, shouting, ooh-ing and aah-ing, jumping (I can hear him!) and whatnot. I peeked my head in and told him that he still had 15 minutes until I would come in and give him another kiss goodnight. Leading up to tonight, we go in at least 2-3 times every 5-10 minutes until he is asleep. It is getting to the point... I mean, it IS ridiculous! It also seems like the more time he spends crying the worse sleep he has that night.

HOW do we get him to go down without such a fight??
I hate that bedtime is such a fight when, 3 weeks before, it went so well. I dread bedtime as I am sure he does. It may just be a phase, but how do we pass this phase without creating a monster or making bedtime something to be dreaded for the rest of our lives?? (or even just the next few weeks while the "phase" passes)
I REALLY don't like letting him cry so much - it stresses me out and never really worked for getting him to sleep through the night. Starting at 7 months old, we did CIO and gradually worked it into our own form of sleep training. It wasn't until he was about 18 months when he started sleeping more than 3 hours at a time. At the same time of not liking him crying, I also loathe going in his room so many times to tell him to go to sleep. When we go in, all we say is, "Z, I love you, its time to sleep." We cover him up again with his blanket and leave. Sometimes what we say comes out more forcefully than I'd like.

He is a smart cookie and when asked by his grandma one day if he woke up in the night, he nodded yes, fake cried and said, "mama, dada" and patted his back. He knows what he is doing.

I read a few other posts on other mamas questions on sleep and saw a few ideas that I think I'd prefer to not do (although I might just try anything in the end!): I don't want to do a sleep fairy with him. I don't want to ignore him for more than 30 minutes. I don't want to rock him. I don't think he is ready for a toddler bed (but I might be wrong. His crib changes to one, so it would be easy to try). I can't have a conversations with him since he doesn't talk yet: it would be a mommy monologue.

I guess this is a lot of information, but I would really like to get some advice on how to make GOING to bed and naps more smooth.
Thanks SO much!

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M.H.

answers from Harrisburg on

My daughter went through this about 2 - 3 months ago. What worked for us was removing her giant stuffed bear. I believe it was scaring her, and we got the twilight turtle. She already has two night lights in her room. The twilight turtle is basically another night light but puts stars on the ceiling and shuts off after 45 minutes. ( kids usually fall asleep before then ) And thats what seem to work for us. She happily takes a bath, we get ready for bed, she'll turn on her music box and then her turtle and she's ready to go to bed!

So it could be something as simple as him being afraid of something in his room. Hope everything works out and you can get some sleep!

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D.A.

answers from Portland on

Many toddlers go through a sleep issue of not wanting to go to bed. I think they might be at an age where they are afraid they will miss something fun. When you start being more aware of your surroundings, this does tend to happen. Both my dd and ds went through this. My son is now 3 yrs 4mo and is finally getting to the point of going to sleep easier again. He will now lay quietly until he falls asleep. There for awhile he just fought bedtime. He got ready just fine, but once it was lights out time, he wanted more books, wanted me to cuddle, wanted to stay up he wasn't sleepy, etc. It took about 6 months before he settled down some and it wasn't every night. We still do naps and he goes to bed a little bit later (only about 30 minutes) this seems to help him have that extra time to play and get it out of his system.

I believe the sleep through the night is a total myth. There is always something that comes up now and then, whether teething, nightmares, illness, etc. that interferes with sleep. We as adults have similar issues. We just know how to put ourselves back to bed because we understand what is going on. But after a knarly nightmare and your adrenaline gets going, don't you have a hard time falling asleep, too.

They need some comforting now and then and it doesn't make you a bad parent to do it. Do what works for you and your family. We are still parents at night, too.

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P.M.

answers from Portland on

Wishing you patience. Most toddler sleep problems do eventually end, no matter what you do about them in the short run. It just takes awhile for sleep patterns to become regular. Sleep "training" is thought by some experts to be a way for parents to think they are accomplishing something worthwhile. Looking at the big picture, it actually seems true that even among babies who are "good sleepers," they will have periods or nights that they are not. And even among the worst sleepers, they will eventually settle into a fairly dependable sleep routine.

Kids' sleep patterns often change a few times during their first few years, for a host of reasons, many of which involve physical and emotional maturation. Here's a website that discusses just about everything to do with children's sleep issues: http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/sleep.htm#sep. Based on what you've written, you might want to scroll down this page to two particular sections: "What do separation problems have to do with sleep?" and, "What if my child has problems settling in at night or resists going to sleep?"

I find your description of your current approach puzzling, because your son has little idea of why you have this (rather arbitrary) 30 minute "goal" he has to reach, or how long that is. He is only learning that if he stays loud and active long enough, you will eventually give him the contact and reassurance he's asking for.

Even if he "fake" cries to demonstrate his night waking to his grandma, that doesn't mean the distress he feels at night isn't real. I can tell a friend about a situation that distressed me deeply and be perfectly calm as I tell the story, but the distress I felt last week was entirely real. Your son does sound like an extremely clever little guy, though, and I'll bet you can learn quite a lot about his thought processes by asking him yes/no questions. And at two, there's probably quite a lot he'd like to be able to tell you.

I have a couple of suggestions you could offer him by way of compromise. You could try making a "deal" with him, that you'll sit by him quietly for awhile, if he lies quietly and tries to sleep. You could sing to him or tell him a story, stroke his hair or pat his back. For his whole life, I've done this on days when I visit my grandson (now 5), and the bonding is precious to us both. He relaxes happily and falls asleep fairly quickly most nights when I do this. If left to sleep by himself, it can occasionally take an hour or more – although he's past most toddler sleep problems, he still has evenings when he just can't sleep easily.

Another idea is to set up one of those rotating aquarium night-lights near his crib. They are rather soothing and hypnotic.

Some recent research strongly suggests that kids have a fair amount of variability in their emotional state from one night to the next, and while a pre-bedtime routine is usually a nice thing to establish, there will be nights when they need more comforting, or an earlier or later bedtime, for any number of reasons. So routines, ideally, should have some flexibility, allowing the parents to watch for particular needs being expressed on any given evening.

I sure hope you and your little guy arrive at an approach that meets both of your needs.

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H.L.

answers from Portland on

I don't have actual advice, sorry, but I feel your pain. We have one child who is a difficult sleeper and one who is an easy sleeper. Unfortunately for us, the difficult one was our first. So, we had NO idea what to do. She drove us nuts. She's seven now and can read herself to sleep, but it wasn't until she was 5 or so when we could convince her that she needed to stay in her room and try. She did well when I told her to stay in her bed and I'd check on her every 10 min. or so. I do recall trying that when she was younger and it was challenging to leave...the whole pattern started over with the crying. Again, I feel your pain, but what I really wanted to say is that it does get easier with time. As long as we stick to the routine each night, my daughter now does really well at bedtime. As a side note, my son was a awesome sleeper since 6 weeks on. So, it's not you. Some are just better sleepers than others. I look back and I kind of wonder why I fought it so hard, but then I remember that at 8pm I was exhausted and needed some downtime!

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H.W.

answers from Portland on

I love so many of Peg's suggestions. (I think she and I have a fondness for the Michigan University articles.... :) )

Other than wanting some kind of luminaria (Sky Turtle or whatnot) myself, my only other suggestion is to perhaps move his bedtime earlier. I've often found that when children are over-tired, we have a harder time getting them to sleep peacefully. Usually, when we see they are 'getting tired', they've been tired for a while. So one idea might be to start bedtime a half-hour earlier, and see if this helps too. (I know my son needed a lot more sleep than what you are describing, and each child is different, so I may be off base on this...)

Thanks, too, for posting such a thorough picture of what you are doing. I enjoyed reading your well-written request!

Oh, and you could pull your hair out... if it's that "partially bald" look you're going for, ha ha. I understand EXACTLY what you mean by this... we have other "Wow, Mama's going to have to buy a wig!" issues at our home on some days too.:)

H.

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K.V.

answers from Lansing on

Is he starting to get his 2yr molars in yet?

Sorry, I don't have much help. My daughter sleeps with me at night and probably will til shes 18 (not really lol). I know shes getting her 2yr molars in a little early and at night it for some reason hurts her more.

I hope you will get a peaceful sleep sometime soon!!

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R.G.

answers from Los Angeles on

Is your little guy closer to 2 or closer to 3? My daughter (will be 3 in Feb) has been a good sleeper since we did "sleep training" at 5 months. BUT, we just moved, and leading up to the move and once we did move, there was a LOT of crying. We have made a sticker chart for her...If she goes to bed with no crying, stays in bed, and does not cry during the night, then she gets a sticker. After 5 stickers she gets a small prize. After 25 or 30 (when the chart is full) we will do something very special - like an outing for ice cream with her grandma. If she doesn't get a sticker, we don't shame her about it, but we remind her how she can get one.

Don't know if this will work for you or not - our girl is super verbal, and you mentioned your little guy isn't. But, you never know! Maybe it would work for you. :)

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M.K.

answers from Los Angeles on

My son was an awful sleeper too, I tried everything, everything in every book - he still took 2 hours each night to fall asleep, and then woke up at least twice a night until he was 5.
I think the toddler bed would make things worse, I just changed my 2.5 year old, and she is getting out all the time, whereas before she slept right through - and in fact I am going to put the side back on today!
What eventually worked for my son was an earlier bedtime and dropping the nap, if he went past a certain time like 8pm, he would wind up and not go to sleep, 7 at the latest and no nap may work.

C.W.

answers from Las Vegas on

You said his room is dark and warm... could he be scared, like sleep better or calm down with a little night light? Or a star sky turtle, it goes off after an hour and plays music or sounds? Could be worth a try :) Shoo, I want a star sky turtle lol them things look cool.

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